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October 3, 1995 - August 11, 1996
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SUBJECT:    The future for our Low IQ child
Date:  95-10-03 22:51:26 edt
From:  T2TULLY

Our dauther who is now 7 years old has been in Special education programs
since pre-school.  She has made steady but slow progress and has both low IQ,
Learning Disability, and Motor Skill problems.  We have had trouble coping,
not knowing what the future may hold for our dauther. We feel we could handle
this better if we could plan ahead or at least know what opportunities she
might have in this society.  We have not given up hope, but want to be
realistic and do whats best to prepare her for the future.  If you can share
your information with us we would greatly appreciate it.

T2TULLY
KANSAS

SUBJECT:    Re:The future for our Low IQ chi
Date:  95-10-05 00:00:35 edt
From:  TYCLONE

I'm sorry, I don't have the answers for you but I am in your shoes.  I also
worry about the future of my son, he is diagnosed with a rear syndrome that
may not allow him to develop to be independant and he may always be in
special education programs. I don't know if this will help ease your fears or
if this is what your looking for but I found the only way to get  through the
days without all the pieces of the puzzle solved is not to worry today about
what will happen years from now.  Believe in the fact that things will work
out and that your child will always be cared for one way or another.  Who
knows what life will offer in years to come so how can we possible plan for
the future in detail anyway.  Good luck to you and your family.  I know this
isn't the best piece of mind but it helps me when I start to panic.

SUBJECT:
Re:The future for our Low IQ chi
Date:  95-10-05 21:36:49 edt
From:  DIVECHRIS

It is important to remember that legislation requires that a transition plan
be developed for all students over the age of 14 who receive special needs
services.  The transition, if properly developed, can greatly assist parents
and students is providing services after school or at age 21.

SUBJECT:    Re:The
future for our Low IQ chi
Date:  95-10-08 00:29:15 edt
From:  Debra10572

My daughter is now 17 and in a Transition Plan w/IEP.  Keeping that
self-esteem up has been very important through her growing years.  Having an
LD child has changed the dynamics of the family unit.  Place "visual"
reminders when you want a chore done., i.e., cut a picture of out the Sale
flyers  with pretty  beds.....this translates to "make your bed reminder.  As
she grew older, I left the door of the dishwasher down to that when  she saw
it she knew she had to empty the dishwasher.  This established routine, order
(LD kids need LOTS of structure) but without the constant commands of "do
this and do that".  You could view this as a "home" IEP.  Start teaching her
now :)

SUBJECT:    Re:The future for our Low IQ chi
Date:  95-10-12 08:10:13 edt
From:  Ty Reg

Hi

The best organization for that kind of information I've found is TASH (the
association for persons with severe handicaps?) - my son was evaluated as low
functioning with low potential, and it was kinda hard seeing the *superstars*
slide into opportunities they denied him.  The folks at TASH not only say
Everyone Belongs, they demonstrate it ;-).  They are online at [e-mail]

Check 'em out!

SUBJECT:    Re:The future for our Low IQ
Date:  95-10-14 12:00:33 edt
From:  Boulevard

..If it helps at all, perhaps looking from a different perspective might be
appropriate here.  I, too, have a son with low tested abilities (although,
unfortunately, most tests don't consider the "other" kids of intelligence
that are now known), and have worked with special needs students for 11 years
- including the whole spectrum (gifted to profoundly handicapped).  It's been
comforting to me to know that there ARE programs for my son; there ARE
community living opportunities.  The students that I worry about most are
those with learning disabilities, or even the higher functioning kids or
"fall between the cracks" kids with IQ's in the low low low average range.(
In fact, now that I think about it, some of the extremely gifted students I
have known have real social skill problems, and will have a hard time working
in careers that require good interpersonal skills.) There will not be the
services in place for some of those  kids - they are expected to be
competitive in our society....just a thought that gets me through some days -
We're  really more fortunate than many!  -Nancy, a speech path & mom of
Austin, the Wonder Kid(who happens to have DS)

SUBJECT:    Re:The future for our
Low IQ
Date:  95-10-21 14:34:12 edt
From:  BAKERCAROL

Dear Parents,

     I am a teacher of students with diabilities.  I know that it seems
sometimes that they may never understand or learn just the basic facts.  I
recently was at a seminar for teachers of special education and one of the
speakers said that a person with an IQ of 60 can receive a regular high
school diploma.  I cannot emphasize the importance of a regular diploma to
you.  Without it, you child can never attend colllege, junior college, the
military, or many vocational institutes.  Please try as hard as you can to
give your child this gift.
     I am hearing a lot of concern over your children.  Your children are
very fortunate that their parents are not giving up.
                               Sincerely,
                           A Special Ed Teacher




SUBJECT:    Re:The future for our Low IQ
Date:  95-10-22 20:05:11 edt
From:  SusanS29

I'm not sure what you mean by a "regular" diploma --  but lots of people go
on to college with a GED. Most junior colleges will accept just about any
diploma.

SUBJECT:    Re:The future for our Low IQ
Date:  95-11-01 19:07:42 edt
From:  LenS777

     As a special education teacher I have learned to be somewhat skeptical
of IQ scores.  Recently I received a new student with a performance IQ of 48.
A reading specialist tested him and found that this seventh grade student
scored at the 7.9 level in recognition and 7.2 level in comprehension.  Many
IQ instruments discriminate against poor motoric function.
    But I too am concerned about the future of low level LS/EMR students.
Our local VoTech school has an excellent program for TMR clients but nothing
for the low low average individual.  If anyone in Bucks County has any
information on pre-vocational Jr. High/High School programs please let me
know at [e-mail].

Thanks

SUBJECT:    Re:The future for our Low IQ
Date:  95-11-02 23:29:58 edt
From:  SLC Nancy

For T2Tully and others:  If you do not already subscribe, I highly recommend
the magazine, "Exceptional Parent."  It has great articles for parents as
well as for teachers.  Each year you get a resource guide which lists Parent
Training & Info centers, Parent to Parent groups, State Assistive Technology
Centers, Advocacy Resources, Resources for specific disabilities, etc.  There
is a feature each month called "Father's Voices,"  and "Role Models" features
an adult with disabilities who describes how they overcame difficulites
throughout childhood.
As a student teacher, I rely on this magazine to help me understand what
parents are dealing with as well as how to understand the child's disability.
It is $24 for 12 issues (less if you get 2 or 3 years at one time).  PO Box
3000 Dept. EP, Denville NJ 07834-9919.
   Also, "Computer Resources for People with Disabilities" is a great
resource guide for assistive technology...it describes your legal rights, as
well as sources of funding and the types of technology available, such as
computer software and augmentative communication (alternate keyboards, touch
screens for computers, portable computers that talk for the person when they
touch an icon on the board, etc.).  It is published by The Alliance for
Technology Access.  Each state has an Assistive Technology office, so get in
touch with them....it may offer you some options you were not aware of for
your child!

SUBJECT:    Re:The future for our Low IQ
Date:  95-11-13 09:16:11 edt
From:  KLAWRITER

I agreed with the special education teacher who questioned the validity of IQ
tests - my daughter is being tested in Georgia (we have newly arrived in
Atlanta) and the scores have never accurately reflected her current abilities
or potential, in my opinion and the opinion of many who work with her. Can
anyone recommend specific tests that do a better job of measuring social
skills and good word recognition without the focus on abstract reasoning? My
daughter is 9 years old and has language processing and language-related
learning disabilities. Thanks!
[e-mail]

SUBJECT:    Re:The future for our Low IQ
Date:  95-11-27 01:31:44 edt
From:  JMGCCRN

Please don't feel hopeless about your child. I am confident that my son will
be educated to his fullest potential. He has always progressed, even though
it is slow and painful at times. He is now 14 and has been in special ed
since age 3. By the time he reaches college, I believe there will also be
college programs across the country!

JMG

SUBJECT:    Re:The future for our Low IQ
Date:  95-11-27 16:17:28 edt
From:  SusanS29

"He is now 14 and has been in special ed since age 3. By the time he reaches
college, I believe there will also be college programs across the country!"

There already are. Go to your public library (reference section). I bet they
already have a directory of special schools, including colleges.

If they don't, Petersen's puts out an excellent one, and any bookstore can
order it for you. The point being... if your son wants to go to college there
is an appropriate one for him.

SUBJECT:    Re:The future for our Low IQ
Date:  95-11-29 22:20:43 edt
From:  Latoile

For the parents that worry about low IQ kids, if you spend lots of time
teaching your kids at home after school it helps a lot, my daughter has a IQ
of 74 is 13 and is in 7th grade and she just recieved a honnor roll student
award she is also fluent with PC and MAC, and type 40WPM

SUBJECT:    Re:The future
for our Low IQ
Date:  95-11-29 22:34:34 edt
From:  AP80

Wow!  Way to go, MOM!

SUBJECT:    Re:The future for our Low IQ
Date:  95-11-30 19:25:53 edt
From:  Boulevard

IQ testing doesn't tell about ALL of the intelligences your child may
demonstrate - my child may "test" poorly, but he shows me splinters of
intelligence that are more human and more real than any published,
standardized form can!    He does, however," test" my patience from time to
time - just like a "generic" 8 year-old!  ;)    -Nancy

SUBJECT:    Re:The future
for our Low IQ
Date:  95-11-30 23:50:12 edt
From:  Latoile

it's not mom, it's dad LOL

SUBJECT:    Re:The future for our Low IQ
Date:  95-12-01 21:21:45 edt
From:  AP80

Latoile, sorry for my sexist assumption--I should know better:)

SUBJECT:    Re:The
future for our Low IQ
Date:  95-12-06 22:22:58 edt
From:  NCMomma

I too am a special education teacher and have been touched by the messages by
all of the "special" parents that I have read here.  I teach in an at-risk,
inner city school and unfortunately most of my students with learning
disabilities don't have the support at home that your children do.  I commend
you for your concern and dedication to your children....  their futures are
definitely brighter because of you!

SUBJECT:    Re:The future for our Low IQ
Date:  95-12-30 20:26:20 edt
From:  DONORALOU

There seems to be a big difference between Sp. Ed.L/D youngsters and Low IQ
youngsters. I thought the designation of L/D carried with it the assumption
of at least "average" intelligence.

SUBJECT:    Re:The future for our Low IQ
Date:  95-12-31 15:21:10 edt
From:  SusanS29

"There seems to be a big difference between Sp. Ed.L/D youngsters and Low IQ
youngsters. I thought the designation of L/D carried with it the assumption
of at least "average" intelligence. "

Yes. Learning disabled is *not* the same as low IQ. The federal definition of
LD specifically includes children of low IQ in it.

However, LD students do not have to be "average." Low-average IQ's (80 - 90
range) can have LD's.

Low IQ students and LD students have highly differing educational needs as
well as requiring different instructional methods.

SUBJECT:    Future for Low I.Q.
Kids
Date:  96-01-03 22:35:57 edt
From:  MYoung3648

My 8 year old son was diagnosed with AD/HD when he was 6 years old.  We had
the diagnoisis done outside the school system and as part of the process they
did a partial I.Q. test.  His Verbal Scores were 120/130 range but his other
scores were lower.  When we brought the tests to the school, they said that
the tests were only partial and they would have to do their own testing.
After the school Pyschologist tested him, he told us that although our son
tested high average on his verbal scores, his I.Q. was slightly below normal
(in the 80/90 range). He said the best environment for him would be private
school (which we can not afford).  The school then said that he was not LD
and was performing at his I.Q. level so he was not entitled to any special
education services.  They did give him Extra help in first and second grade
but he was not classified as "special Ed".  Now he is in the third grade and
is not receiving any special help.  He struggles with reading comprehension,
has fine motor skill problems (handwriting, tying shoes) and in math he has
trouble understanding new concepts.  I also still notice reversals in his
writing and decoding of words.  He seems very bright and pick things up off
the TV or movies in an instant.  Should we have him retested or accept the
school's diagnosis.  If he does have a below average I.Q. , any suggestions
on helping him with his reading comprehension, etc.

SUBJECT:    Re:Future for Low
I.Q. Kids
Date:  96-01-04 01:56:04 edt
From:  Ratatat

I am having a very hard time reconciling two separate mesaures of
intelligence done on the same child with such wildly different results:
120/130 and 80/90!  This is not possible unless one of the testing procedures
was seriously flawed.  Can you please tell us the name of the tests that were
administered privately, and at the school.  And, how long these assessments
took to give to your child?  This can give us all a clue as to how these
score were arrived at.  I'm not sure I have enough information to say this,
but I smell a public school rat!

SUBJECT:    Re:Future for Low I.Q. Kids
Date:  96-01-04 21:16:28 edt
From:  AP80

I agree with Ratatat.  Something doesn't make sense here.  Follow Ratatat's
advice.

SUBJECT:    Re:Future for Low I.Q. Kids
Date:  96-01-08 23:09:37 edt
From:  Kenner 14

Your Psychologist sounds rather vague.  The "80/90 range" is not specific
enough.  An average IQ is 100 with a Standard Deviation of +-15.  Therefore,
your child would still be considered within the average range with a score
from 85 - 115.  Therefore, if your child score was 85 he would be considered
to be in the "low normal" range as opposed to a score of 115 which would be
considered "high normal".  You need more information!

SUBJECT:    testing
Date:  96-01-13 00:52:22 edt
From:  Hal404

Testing seems to differ from school district and setting and specialties ...
my son, who is 11, withLD and ADHD, had very different testing by the school
psychologist and the developmental psychiatrist at Mass General hspital.  My
son has something called scattered, which means some days are better than
others.  I love him and so does his mom, even though his mom and I are now
divorced.  He sees both of us very often ... as he lives with both of us
50/50 and we live in neighboring towns.

Hal404

SUBJECT:    Re future for our Low IQ child
Date:  96-01-13 21:26:43 edt
From:  LRiggs305

There is a program I have just been trained in that has been proven to raise
IQ scores...it is called Applied Scholastics.  It really works and makes a
lot of sense.  I have used it this year with my Special Education Class and
for the first time, I feel like I am really making a difference.  Look into
it in your area.  If you can't find it, let me know and I will ask the lady I
trained under.

SUBJECT:    Re:Re future for our Low IQ
Date:  96-01-13 23:27:34 edt
From:  Judy DJ

The insights you all share are incredible ... Thank you!  My 12-year old
daughter has multiple developmental delays, mostly related to congenital
brain malformation.  We adopted her just before her 3rd birthday (she had
been in foster care since age 6 mos), divorced before her 6th birthday and
continue to celebrate her growth & opportunities.  She lives with me, has
been tested IQ-wise from 56-90, but acts sometimes with such "intelligence"
I'm astounded.  Who really knows.  All we can do is trust those we consult
and love her like crazy.  Thanks again for your thoughts.  Keep in touch.
E-mail me anytime, that's the best way to reach me.  I hope someday to do
something more to help others in our situation ... dealing with schools,
hospitals, doctors, preparing our special children to succeed as best they
can, etc.  Sometimes, when they're little, they're "cute", but as they enter
school & later into adolescence, we face some unbelievable challenges.  I'm
worried about puberty, impulsivity & poor judgement.  Any ideas?

PS. Involvement in Special Olympics this past year has been wonderful.  The
people involved are incredible.  The athletes are beautiful.  It's something
I see us staying involved in for years to come.  Bless you all.

SUBJECT:    Falling
through the cracks
Date:  96-01-18 16:23:26 edt
From:  JohnO4374

I have a 17 year old son in his junior year of H.S., with a low IQ and
language proccessing difficulties. This question about the future for our low
IQ kids is, for lack of a better word, scary. We live in a very different
world today and there seems to be fewer and fewer opportunities for those
without the ability to keep up with a more technological society. The days of
graduating from H.S., going into a factory type job with health benefits and
a salary that you can live decently on, are all but over.

I recently attended a meeting where a representative from our local Junior
College was discussing all of the wonderful programs they have for learning
disabled students.  She said that in order to be succesful there, the child
should have an IQ of at least 80. They really don't have the programs to deal
with students who "are smart enough to know they are not smart". She went on
to say that "unfortunately there really is nothing out there for the Forest
Gump's of this world". Insensitive I thought, but true. In working with an
advocate to obtain some type ofjob training programs at my sons school we
have run into nothing but dead ends. About the only thing they can do is put
him into programs set up for more severly developmentaly disabled kids. They
have wonderful things going for that group and also for the more gifted kids,
but kids like my son are falling through the cracks.

Unfortunately, the whole process of trying to help my son become an
independent adult has given me a rather gloomy outlook. Any thoughts?

SUBJECT:
attn: John04374
Date:  96-01-20 12:52:11 edt
From:  SPED4ALL

As a teacher of students w/ an IQ <55 and one who believes that jobs are
available for these people, I sympathize with you.  With the parents of my
students, we look at what skill the student has or can learn, and then
identify all the possible employment opportunities which utilize that skill.
When we're ready for the annual meeting, I contact EVERYONE- supportive
employment, voc. rehab., job coach, and even a potential employer if the
parent of I have someone in mind.  When the other agencies see that they have
the support of the school and the parents to assist with this person's
successful employment, we usually identify at least some possible employment
opportunities/alternatives.     Don't give up.  Good luck.

SUBJECT:    Re:The
future for our Low IQ
Date:  96-01-20 13:30:19 edt
From:  Rhythm1000

I am a special ed teacher in a private residential setting.  Mostly I  have
behavior dis. adolescent girls.  Most are also Emotionally Handicapped.   I
have a few girls with the same situation your daughter is in.  If you get any
ideas.... please let me know I am also concerned abut their future..    I
would contact different partial programs or residential programs for her,
also check into computer software for Special Needs....  Check into different
hospital settings for emotionally handicapped with low IQ.  Even if she is
not residential material, maybe she could benefit from partial treatment
programs icluding school... Go to the Library... There is a wealth of
information there and KEEP POSTING HERE......  (I don't know if I was any
help)  Catherine

SUBJECT:    Re:Falling through the crack
Date:  96-01-20 13:32:50 edt
From:  Rhythm1000

There is a program in Phoenix called Metro Tech  Look in the phonebook  I
don't have the nmber.... But if you call they might have info on affilitates
where you are..............Metro tech is kind of a technical school, they
require kidss to take electives that make it fun for them, also teach them
trades............Again METRO TECH  in PHOENIX, ARIZONA......Catherine

SUBJECT:
Re:Falling through the crackI
Date:  96-01-20 23:44:19 edt
From:  MBC Books

I teach a class of limited intellectual functioning students.  Usually my
students are fairly successful in toileting skills by the time they come to
me.  However, this year I have two students-both six year olds who are still
wearing diapers.  I need suggestions on what to do with these two students
because cognitively they should be able to handle the toilet but when we have
taken them out of diapers and put them in underwear...too many accidents
occur!!!HELP!!!!

SUBJECT:    Re:Falling through the crack
Date:  96-01-25 18:45:24 edt
From:  ESP TEACH

RE: TOILETING
i TEACH KIDS IN THE MIDDLE SCHOOL( MODERATE RETARDATION).  wE HAVE HAD A LOT
OF SUCCESS PUTTING KIDS WHO ARE NOT TOILET TRAINED ON A SCHEDULE.  fOR
EXample:  taking student to bathroom around the time they normally wet.  One
student "goes" 1 hour after eating almost to the minute. Maybe you can keep a
log of the times your students normally go and try to "catch" them.  Hope
this helps
ESP TEACH


SUBJECT:    Re:The future for our Low IQ
Date:  96-02-23 23:36:21 edt
From:  TCJTM

Our son just turned 3,  we do not have medical insurance so we have not done
alot of tests. He is very happy, strong, and showing "autisic" habits and I
worry about the future.  Will he be able to live with our family in harmony?
Can anyone predict what the future will bring?

Now Travis is going to preschool 5-days a week,but it is a stuggle taking
care of him, his sister, 4 and his baby sister ,1.

We live in a rural part of Tx and would appreciate any comments.



SUBJECT:    Re:The future for our Low IQ
Date:  96-03-15 22:33:55 edt
From:  DONORALOU

I really don't see how someone with an I.Q. of 60 could succeed in college.


SUBJECT:    Re:Future for Low I.Q. Kids
Date:  96-04-01 19:37:06 edt
From:  ConLee2

Hi, I'm new to AOL so this is a response to MYoung3648  back on 1/3/96:

A typical IQ score is the average between a "Verbal" and a "Performance"
score (which usually shows up in math abilities).  There are individuals for
whom the scores are widely divergent, especially following the pattern of
high verbal/ low performance scores. And it is somewhat common for this group
to also be diagnosed with ADD/ ADHD.
  An article that may interest you is "Stradegies Enable Students With Gifts
and Handicaps to Exceed." It is by Linda Kreger Silverman. Iowa's Talented
and Gifted Association. Newsletter, Summer 1994.  Sorry I don't have further
info on the organization but other articles in that addition may also
interest you. One is on ADHD and giftedness.
    I have a student in my sp ed classroom that fits this pattern and found
it amazing how closely the profile of IQ scores and characteristics matched.
    Of course, there  is always room for error in the scores. Knowing the
child counts. I do believe the scores can be racially/ experiencially
imbalanced. I have students who've been tested more than once over periods of
years ( which is supposedly a measure of accuracy), of whom I and other staff
agree, the low IQ scores must be invalid. They're poor readers, partly due to
poor learning / life experiences, but able to acquire, retain and reteach new
information with ease. (Including new reading skills!)
   LD is a wierd lable. In Minnesota at least it refers to a learner
achieving below the level one would expect from their IQ scores. (This is
measured mathamatically, and all a state has to do to take a number of
learners off LD services is to play with the numbers.) A student with a low
performance IQ, performing only at low leveldoesn't qualify; whereas someone
with a superior verbal score (as with your son) but average achievement,
would!

SUBJECT:    Re: The future for our Low IQ
Date:  96-04-12 22:48:50 edt
From:  Ty Reg

There are some young adults with Down Syndrome who are auditing college
classes, some who are enrolled in junior college courses, and others who are
enrolled in post-high school programs for students with learning disabilities
and getting along well in the dorms, participating in the classes, etc.

Apparently, IQ has less to do with success than accommodations and support
that enable them to succeed wherever they find themselves.

I've met some very sharp people with IQs from 45-60 while touring supported
employment sites (young adults with low IQs who hold positions in regular
companies with ongoing help from job coaches or fellow employees. Many I
observed had 40% of the output of nda employees, and earned 40% of the
average salary - some had medical benefits but all enjoyed the vacations they
earned, etc).



SUBJECT:    Re:Future for Low I.Q. KidsI
Date:  96-04-21 16:27:23 edt
From:  EBurke6740

It has been awhile since the testing was completed.  The discrepency between
the verbal and performance may be what brought the toal score down to the
lower one.  This would also go along with the fine motor difficulties and
suggest a learning disability.  Since the testing was a couple of years ago,
request in writing new testing.  The school district must reply in writing
why they do or do not want to do new testing withing a couple of weeks.

SUBJECT:
Future for Low IQ Kids?
Date:  96-05-16 22:10:59 edt
From:  RLAND66487

My child was diagnosed with Turner's Syndrome in utero.  He has been in the
Special Ed program here in VA since 1 yr. of age.  My son's case is rare
because Turner's affects mostly females.  We have no guidelines of what to
expect with Wesley.  He did not speak until after his 4th birthday and I
believe his poor verbal skills are the cause of his low scores on the IQ
tests given by the school psychologist.  I believe my son is much more clever
than he demonstrates.  Is there such a thing as motivational and/or
confidence "booster" programs that are effective for 5.5 yr olds?  Any info
would be appreciated.  I would really like to hear back from anyone that has
any info.  There have only been a  couple of diagnosed cases of Turner's in
our area.  Since the syndrome isn't life threatening, it doesn't get alot of
funding.  I feel like I'm all alone over here.

SUBJECT:    Re:testing
Date:  96-05-25 01:46:05 edt
From:  Arloateach

Please keep in mind IQ testing does not necessarily qualify one for special
services, two or more grade levels below normal in usually math, reading,
spelling, general knowledge etc. is what qualifies one for speical
services.

SUBJECT:    Success as a SpEd Student!
Date:  96-05-25 12:22:22 edt
From:  Snflwr66

I am a 7-12 IRC SPED teacher in a small town in Kansas.  This is my 4th year
in this school.  My first day here a young woman walked in my room, tossed
her books on my desk and told me she was "stupid", "the tests say I can't
learn" and that I shouldn't "waste my time" on her.  She was an LD student
with low writing and math ability.  She had been misplaced in a EMH classroom
in grade school because of social problems and her mother told me that the
school psych told her that "Diane will never learn and you should consider
institutionalization."

After changing the entire program 7-12 , incorporating inclusion and a lot of
academic sweat and tears, Dian graduated on May 18th with a band scholarship
to a junior college here in Kansas and the "Most Improved Student Award"!
She also had a 2.8 GPA in NON-Special Ed classes and passed Algebra I with a
B!!!

Moral:  Success can be found!  :)


SUBJECT:    Re:Success as a SpEd Student
Date:  96-05-25 22:48:06 edt
From:  Ratatat

<<
After changing the entire program 7-12 , incorporating inclusion and a lot of
academic sweat and tears, Dian graduated on May 18th with a band scholarship
to a junior college here in Kansas and the "Most Improved Student Award"!
She also had a 2.8 GPA in NON-Special Ed classes and passed Algebra I with a
B!!!

Moral:  Success can be found!  :)>>

Bless you!  You are a living example of how schools should adapt to the
children's needs rather than the child adapting to the schools established
curriculum.  Bless you!

SUBJECT:    APPLIED SCHOLASTICS
Date:  96-06-02 19:00:40 edt
From:  CPiszchala

CAN ANYONE ASSIST ME IN LOCATING INFORMATION ON
APPLIED SCHOLASTICS-A METHOD FOR INCREASING
IQ IN LOW ABILITY STUDENTS IN THE CONNECTICUT
AREA?  I HAVE A HIGH SCHOOL AGE CHILD AND AM BEGINNING TO THINK OF POST
SECONDARY EDUCATION SETTING REALISTIC GOALS IS MY BIGGEST CHALLENGE\


SUBJECT:    Re:APPLIED SCHOLASTICS
Date:  96-06-05 16:16:50 edt
From:  SusanS29

CP I hope you find the information you seek, but please post in both upper
and lower case.

It's easier to read, and therefore you're more likely to get responses.

Thanks.

SusanS29, Host

SUBJECT:    Re:The future for our Low IQ
Date:  96-06-14 21:45:42 edt
From:  Ms keye

We have a 15 yr old son with a subnormal IQ and have had all kinds of
negative input. The children in the middle have very few services as these
children are functioning at the Mentally retarded level in the academic
world, however  our child has normal looks, normal behavior patterns, normal
sense of humor,intuition, sense of responsibility and has organizational
abilities, is very conscientious, despite the fact that he can not solve
problems easily, or read or make change without the aid of a computer or
calculator. There seems to be limited abiity of the educators to realize that
these children can go a long way with high expectations, specialized
education, structure and many adaptive approaches. These children do not need
to be on the subsidized roles if we could educate them to their potential,
they are more than trainable.

SUBJECT:    Re:Re future for our Low IQ
Date:  96-06-20 09:09:00 edt
From:  MBK43

Hi. I would really love some more information on this. Could you possibly
Email me. My 10 year old daughter is low, low average and I would like any
info you could provide. Thanks. [e-mail]

SUBJECT:    Re:The future for our Low
IQ
Date:  96-06-23 14:34:42 edt
From:  SHERIKAY

"There seems to be a limited ability of educators to realize......"  Believe
me, most of us in special ed are well aware of the dismal situations for the
low IQ kids, those who do not qualify by law for special ed services.  As
budgets tighten, we are constantly  re-evalutaing so that kids "who don't
qualify" can be dropped.  It's an outrage.  The problem is not with the
educators, but with the laws and the administrators.  I have taught many
students who are slow learners who were labeled E/BD inappropriately.  It's a
moral/ethical question.  Do I fight to have the label removed, or do we keep
giving them an appropriate specialized education in a setting in which they
can truly master skills?  What's best for the kid overall?

SUBJECT:    Re:Re future
for our Low IQ
Date:  96-07-09 17:55:57 edt
From:  MKemper204

I'd like to know more about the applied scholastics program.  I am a learning
disabilities instructor for k-8 and need a boost every now and then on a
concept that will work. Please send information to mkemper204@aol.
Thanks!

SUBJECT:    Re:The future for our Low IQ
Date:  96-07-13 10:15:04 edt
From:  JBunn59074

I,m glad to see you are skeptical of low IQ scores.  My son who is 13 just
got retested for his trienniel review.The district wasn't going to retest
him, not mandated anymore.Anyway, for all these years I thought he was really
LD, but according to these tests he is actually EMR..Imagine my shock..My son
has A major problem with ADHD, and as a result he is not a real good test
taker, I just hope his new teacher at the middle school won't put too much
importance on his new label OHI... it was either that or Autistic or EMR .  I
know I shouldn't put too much importance on labels, he's still the same neat
kid, but autistic and EMR soound very limiting to his future..I mean you hear
about all of these famous people who have LD who become successful, Tom
Cruise, Einstein, etc. But you don't hear anything about famous autistic
folk....I hate labels..The funny thing is, I'm getting my Mastetr's in
Special ed, you think I'd know better!  Jan

SUBJECT:    Re:Falling through the
crack
Date:  96-07-13 10:23:16 edt
From:  JBunn59074

It is depresing isn't it My son is 13, and I'm really scared about his
future..He too is going to fall through the cracks. Where we live there
aren't even enough  jobs for everybody else. My son doesn't belong in a
sheltered workshop, yet problay won't be able to really completely
independent either..I hope I'm wrong.  We still have a few years before H.S.,
where he will be exposed to vocational educational choices..But
realistically, he'll never be a car mechanic (though he loves taking things
apart)  I don't know..His future is never out of my mind,I'm scared for him.
Will he live with us forever? Will he be happy? Will he get married? Should
he get married and have Kids?  I don't know.....

SUBJECT:    Re:The future for our
Low IQ
Date:  96-07-14 16:53:37 edt
From:  Ratatat

<< My son who is 13 just got retested for his trienniel review.The district
wasn't going to retest him, not mandated anymore.>>

The IDEA requires that the IEP be reviewed once a year and that every three
years the child be re-evaluated.  This is still mandated.  Who ever told you
otherwise is just plain wrong.  Sorry.

SUBJECT:    Re:The future for our Low IQ
Date:  96-07-22 00:09:52 edt
From:  OWINGS80

Have have a son who is multiple handicapped.  He has a skeletal dysplasia
that can not be classifed.  He has been seen at Johns Hopkins for several
years and to their knowledge he is one of a kind.  He has a trach, which has
impeded speech.  He uses a "total communication" approach.  He signs some
(limited due to fine motor skills) he makes some sound and he points to
pictures, etc.  The school system has been very slow to provide him with an
augmentative communication device.  We are currently trying to purchase a
Dynovox II through our insurance company.  He was recently tested as they are
required to do at 8 years old.  They labeled him multiple handicapped but he
scored low academically.  Around 65.  They now want to take him out of the
Inclusion Program that was very successful and move him to a different school
so that he can receive EMH resource.  I do not want him moved.  He has
attended this school since Kindegarten.  He has friends there and knows
everyone.  He is a very outgoing like able child.  But I feel he shouldn't be
moved at the convience of the school system because they can not provide him
with what he needs at his current school.  He made progress last year, he
learned to type on computer.  He typed all the "writing" from the board.  He
can not use a pencil.  His regular ed teacher did a great job, she receive no
assistance in adapting work, etc.  But now all of a suddend they want to use
the 65 score to keep him from his regular ed class.  I  am fighting this.

I read through the notes posted here.  It was an inspiration to me to keep on
fighting.  God Bless.


SUBJECT:    Re:The future for our Low IQ
Date:  96-07-22 23:23:17 edt
From:  CurrieKM

Good Luck OWING - perhaps you can enlist the support of the teacher who did
so well with him last year?  Sometimes educators are so focused on doing what
they think is right that they miss the whole point.  I've not run across many
who want to "do what is easiest" - usually it's just a point of view about
what they think is best.  Keep stating your point of view in a firm,
positive, and polite way.   Get the support of others who work with him.
Don't wait for "the big  meeting" - get together with his therapists and
teachers individually to share your perspective and to get theirs.  It's easy
to become overwhelmed or unfocused in a big meeting - even for the school
staff.  Don't forget to share your long range goals for your son.  It's
certainly important for him to maintain the social network that he has
established.  Best of luck!

SUBJECT:    Re:Re future for our Low IQ
Date:  96-08-11 21:57:15 edt
From:  CHARMIN ME

LRiggs,  I would be interested in more info. about the Applied Scholastics
program.  I teach a primary severely handicapped class, children aged 4-8
with mild to moderate retardation.  Does the program cover this group?
Please email me at CHARMIN ME @aol.

Thanks.

SUBJECT:    Re:Falling through the crack
Date:  96-08-11 22:03:43 edt
From:  CHARMIN ME

I, too, have students who are capable of using the toilet and are still in
diapers.  I take my whole class to the bathroom several times a day (after
breakfast, after recess and after lunch).  Each of the diaper kids is set on
the toilet and if, by chance, they "perform" we give major praise and
sometimes, a tangible reward (sticker, candy).  Also, we constantly ask them
and take them to the bathroom at other times of the day.  After a while, they
learn the routine and seem able to go at the set times.  Of course, unless
there is cooperation from home, toilet training at school is never going to
be completely done.  Good Luck!